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Boomer Chick
Senior Member

Colorado 397 posts, Sep 2003
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posted 04-22-2004 04:11 PM
AW shucks, JBE! Get a busload of this one!  FDA Stops Bus Full Of Seniors WASHINGTON, April 22, 2004
A senior Food and Drug Administration official said Wednesday that it was unfortunate his agency stopped and inspected a busload of seniors returning from a medicine-buying trip to Canada.
"This is not consistent with our current practice," said John Taylor, the FDA's associate commissioner for regulatory affairs. "I would not expect it to happen again." The FDA says it cannot guarantee the safety of medications purchased in Canada and has been increasing pressure on state and local programs that help people buy the lower-cost prescription drugs there . The bus-stopping incident occurred last October but wasn't made public until Wednesday, when Sen. Mark Dayton, D-Minn., wrote to the FDA to complain about it. Dayton, a millionaire, donates his entire Senate salary to pay for the bus trips from Minnesota, allowing seniors to take advantage of the much lower drug prices in Canada. A Dayton spokeswoman, Chris Lisi, said the senator only recently became aware of the incident. Dayton wrote that the inspection caused stress for the elderly travelers. "Is it the beginning of a new practice of harassment and intimidation against elderly citizens who are traveling themselves to Canada to make their prescription drug purchases?" he asked. Taylor said it was not. "This does not signal a change in policy," he said. "It was an unusual event." Taylor said the inspection was requested by the U.S. Customs Service, when the bus made its way back across the border. Although importing drugs is technically illegal, the FDA allows people to purchase drugs in Canada for their personal use. After a "cursory review," Taylor said, the FDA agents determined that the drugs could be imported and no drugs were seized. "We have limited inspection resources," Taylor said. "Our focus is largely on entities that facilitate purchases," such as pharmacies. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/22/politics/printable613086.shtml
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Boomer Chick on 04-22-2004]

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JerseyBluEyz
Trust the Universe

Northeast 1004 posts, Jul 2003
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posted 04-22-2004 06:19 PM
Can you imagine stopping a bus load of seniors! How despicable! This is what our country is coming to Letxa! I wonder if they performed and nice friendly search or if they scared the heck out of the seniors???This country WAS once a place of opportunity and freedom. It WAS the land of the free and the home of the brave. If you think most of the world views us in the same light now as they did in the past, you are mistaken and are not talking to the right people. We are viewed as a corrupt, money driven wheel. With the damage Dumbya and his cronies have done to the perception of the American Way, it is going to take YEARS and mega bucks to fix our reputation. How many Americans do you think currently feel like they’re living a dream? It’s getting to be more and more like a nightmare – and in SO MANY different ways! I am sure there are people who live in repressed countries like China or Mexico that might still want to come here for the opportunities. Although, many want to come here and USE our system to acquire all the handouts they can! Have you ever seen this poem? It’s been around for a while but is STILL a good one! Illegal Immigrants Poem I cross ocean, poor and broke, Take bus, see employment folk. Nice man treat me good in there, Say I need to see welfare. Welfare say, "You come no more, We send cash right to your door." Welfare checks, they make you wealthy, Medicaid it keep you healthy! By and by, I got plenty money, Thanks to you, American dummy. Write to friends in motherland, Tell them 'come fast as you can.' They come in turbans and Ford trucks, I buy big house with welfare bucks. They come here, we live together, More welfare checks, it gets better! Fourteen families, they moving in, But neighbor's patience wearing thin. Finally, white guy moves away, Now I buy his house, and then I say, "Find more aliens for house to rent." And in the yard I put a tent. Send for family they just trash, But they, too, draw the welfare cash! Everything is very good, And soon we own the neighborhood. We have hobby -- it's called breeding, Welfare pay for baby feeding. Kids need dentist? Wife need pills? We get free! We got no bills! American crazy! He pay all year, To keep welfare running here. We think America darn good place! Too darn good for the white man race. If they no like us, they can scram, Got lots of room in Pakistan. That was NO JOKE! Welcome to the nightmare!

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letxa2000
Senior Member
U.S. citizen in Mexico 588 posts, Apr 2002
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posted 04-22-2004 06:32 PM
Oh forget it. The United States is great. We have problems, but it is byfar the greatest country in the world. As an American having lived in another country for 8 years I can tell you that one really starts wondering what it is we've done that makes our country so much better off than everyone else.But forget it. I'm no closer to answering my question but I have definitely concluded one thing completely by accident: People here just don't know how to be positive. All you do is post messages virtually celebrating the failures of the president of our country. You post messages celebrating things that are going wrong in the country and in the world. You post messages about sinister plots and chemicals in the air. But someone asks what our country is doing right and there is deafening silence for 20 hours followed by nothing but slams against our corrupt government and a laundry list of everything that is wrong with our country. Sorry, I guess I should have known better. But it was educational. Not in the sense that I had hoped for, but educational.

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Mech
Commitees of Correspondence

The Minuteman State 6085 posts, Jun 2001
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posted 04-22-2004 06:42 PM
There is NO EXCUSE for being an APOLOGIST for corruption.All is NOT WELL in Kansas anymore Letxa...in case you haven't noticed. Most of us AREN'T HAPPY ABOUT IT. If people DIDN'T COMPLAIN and RESEARCH what the government was doing right now and PASSED RESOLUTIONS agaainst the VILE Patriot Act and other pieces of GARBAGE legislation..im sure this ILLIGITIMATE MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX COUP' would have Nuked a US City by now...or released smallpox...take-your-pick. WE WILL NOT STOP and will continue to expose these bastards. For you Letxa...TAKE THE BLUE Pill. Stay in Wonderland. 
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Molliani
Senior Member
Illinois 418 posts, Mar 2001
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posted 04-22-2004 06:50 PM
[QUOTE] Originally posted by letxa2000:[I guess my question is... what is or has made the United States as great as it is?] My brief answer is freedom, opportunity and the compassion of its citizens. The opportunities are endless. . . . My relatives left their beautiful homelands for the land of freedom and opportunity and they found both. I'm thankful they had the foresight to leave decades ago.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Molliani on 04-22-2004]

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Boomer Chick
Senior Member

Colorado 397 posts, Sep 2003
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posted 04-22-2004 06:57 PM
Great blogging, JBE! Mech, you're right!Just for the record, I included quite a few things I love about living in America, but when the truth of whatever it is struck me, I had to write about it. Not all of it was negative -- not at all. So Letxa, you are forgetting and spinning the tale of this city quite inaccurately and your homesickness is personally reflected in your position. Why not bring your wifey back to Colorado and live here? What's keeping you there if you love it so much? The thing is, we love our country more than most, because we choose to fix what might ruin it, we choose to be vigilent patriots dedicated to preserving the great country we once had. JBE said it best! Mech is always awesomely passionate!
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JerseyBluEyz
Trust the Universe

Northeast 1004 posts, Jul 2003
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posted 04-22-2004 07:15 PM
The reason no one answered you for 20 hours is because NO ONE TRUSTS YOU! Your post appeared to be a set up!Listen, not many of us have the opportunity of talking to people from outside the country. I grew up in an area where people migrated from many nations and worked together to shape this country. I come from a family that immigrated here. I thank God they did because I sure would not want to be living in Ukraine. But I can tell you that both parents worked their butts off to provide the family with a middle class life! They never took things for granted nor were they HANDED anything. That’s NOT the way it is in this country today! Wake up! Oh yeah I forgot, you took that blue pill a long time ago. How SILLY of you to think we CELEBRATE the failures of this country? You think we enjoy talking about the things we see? We would love nothing more than to see things differently. Until things change, you can expect us to continue watching the state of the nation and discussing them here! Oh let me guess, I am supposed to LIKE having my rights and freedoms abolished little by little and all without any say in the matter? Yes, there are some things that ARE right with this country, but there are SO MANY MORE that aren’t! Go back to sleep little one!
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JerseyBluEyz
Trust the Universe

Northeast 1004 posts, Jul 2003
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posted 04-22-2004 07:23 PM
quote: Originally posted by Boomer Chick: Just for the record, I included quite a few things I love about living in America, but when the truth of whatever it is struck me, I had to write about it. Not all of it was negative -- not at all.
I read every word of your post and was quite happy to see the positives that WERE in there! I saw them even if Letxa didn't. Letxa: Boomer has a good point. Why DON'T you come back here since you obviously miss this country???
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Molliani
Senior Member
Illinois 418 posts, Mar 2001
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posted 04-22-2004 07:48 PM
[QUOTE] Originally posted by BoomerChick:[The thing is, we love our country more than most ] . . . . . A most arrogant statement - a quick Rx for you is a good dose of humility. 
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zoobie555
Wackadoo

Conroe, Texas, USA 151 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 04-22-2004 07:49 PM
Americans simply demand higher standards. We won't accept less from ourselves or others. That is why the US has become a magnet for the entrepreneurs, hard working persons, business persons, highly intellectual, and overachievers of the world. Our country fosters the growth of these qualities... The American dream. Democracy, Capitalism, greed, perfectionism - are the fiber of our financial and military superiority. People with these traits flock to the U.S. because it provides the greatest opportunity for them, which leaves the countries they come from with one less person capable of making that country a more wealthy and strong place and at the same time makes the U.S. just that much better. Of course Capitalism is flawed and subject to corruption, but so is socialism, communism or any other form of government. Capitalism works. It's up to the people to keep corporations in check. Mostly we do. It may not seem that way sometimes, but compare the relatively low rates of corporate corruption here in the U.S. with the coruption in government, business and law that can be seen in a socialist country such as Mexico, or a country that still hasn't fully adjusted to democracy/capitalism such as Russia. I'm not trying to bash Mexico or Mexicans. I think Mexico is a great county, and I think Mexicans are great people. But the mexican government and it's laws are pathetic. Vicente Fox is a joke. He's always whinning to Bush that the U.S. isn't doing enough for Mexican illegals or Mexico. If he could make even a half assed attempt at running his own country maybe the people of Mexico wouldn't be lining up at the border to get into the U.S. by any means necessary, maybe they wouldn't have to. In my opinion, the U.S. should annex Mexico, with or without the permission of the Mexican government. Allow the citizens of Mexico to decide if they would like to be part of the U.S. whether the Mexican government approves it or not, and if the people say yes, then we make it so. U.S. minimum wage and labor laws for everyone in Mexico. Go into the Mexican government and clean house, eliminate as much corruption as possible. Then U.S. companies wouldn't have to outsource jobs to Mexico per se because it would then be the U.S. and Mexicans wouldn't have to flock to the U.S. illegally in search of MC Jobs. They'd already be here and entitled to the same wages and rights that we are now. [SORRY I WENT OFF ON A TANGENT]. The sheer jealous nature of other governments and people drives them to hate us, this hatred creates a rebelious nature that drives them to focus in the opposite direction politically. When this happens it only worsens the financial and miliary status of that country or group. The lack of freedom, press, land ownership and property rights, gun ownership, equal rights protections etc. that arise from that are the opposite of what we have here and a direct result of that nations financial and military inferiority. Example: North Korea. With few exceptions the only other sucessful countries have modelled themselves at least somewhat similar to the U.S. Whether they were already established on similar principles before the U.S. was even in existance such as many European countries, or more newly assembled nations that have used the U.S. and Europe as an example. The United States simply took that to a whole new level. I believe that with enough time any country can duplicate the success of the U.S. By modeling their government after ours, demanding more from their politicians. Simply refusing to allow their government to oppress them as much as possible. No such thing as a perfect government. Must continue to strive for perfection and not to settle for what is unaceptable. Our "melting pot" roots. The U.S. is the least homogenius country in the world in terms of race, religion, culture, ethnic diversity etc. Despite the obvious racial relations problems and bigotry in the U.S. our acceptance of people who are different is unparalled. By our standards the difference between the people of India and Pakistan, Muslim and Judiasm, Catholic and protestant are minor. In other parts of the world, killing each other over these petty differences is common, accepted and sometimes even expected. We in the U.S. can't even understand that type of biased hatred on the same level that persons in a lot of other countries live with on a daily basis. Sorry for the rambling the spelling errors and the general incomplete nature of this post. I had meant to refine it a bit more but... I'm tired, I have to work early and I have a three year old running around that needs me to get him ready for bed. ------------------ "Just say no to the NWO!" "I AM paranoid, they ARE after me!" 
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electricmojoman
Senior Member
316 posts, Feb 2004
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posted 04-22-2004 08:01 PM
quote: Oh forget it. The United States is great. We have problems, but it is byfar the greatest country in the world. As an American having lived in another country for 8 years I can tell you that one really starts wondering what it is we've done that makes our country so much better off than everyone else.But forget it. I'm no closer to answering my question but I have definitely concluded one thing completely by accident: People here just don't know how to be positive. All you do is post messages virtually celebrating the failures of the president of our country. You post messages celebrating things that are going wrong in the country and in the world. You post messages about sinister plots and chemicals in the air. But someone asks what our country is doing right and there is deafening silence for 20 hours followed by nothing but slams against our corrupt government and a laundry list of everything that is wrong with our country. Sorry, I guess I should have known better. But it was educational. Not in the sense that I had hoped for, but educational.
Remember my statement about this thread being by design. That statement is what you were wanting all along. You knew that answer before you even created this offshoot tangent. All of your offshoots have been by design. I know your true colors!!! America is 99% awesome but that 1% is a mother! The body is good by the head needs to be chopped off. The head meaning greed and Ego. Capitalism in its worst hours becomes communism by design. The greed creates needs that creates forced socialism. Militant Corporatism defines communism. We now have many monopolies in this country. You want good Karma huh lex? After the crap you put people in here thru. HA! Go smell a flower and get over yourself. I've been getting extreme positivity lately. People actually like me Lex. Feel pretty good too! Thank you for making us stronger! =) little pat on the back for ya bud. Soak it up!
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Boomer Chick
Senior Member

Colorado 397 posts, Sep 2003
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posted 04-22-2004 08:43 PM
Yes, Moliani, we who stand up for peace, we who join organizational groups that express concern for the lost liberties of all, we who demand reverance and adherence to the Constitution, we who point fingers at those who would prevent social services in lew of wars and destruction, we who search for the truth and demand justice, yes all of us in this nation who stand up and fight for the rights and freedoms of all are true patriots!This is not an ego statement, it is a statement of values and fact. You tell me to be humble? Who the heck are you to tell me to stop being vigilent for your rights, for your children's future, for your way of life and your very safety? If it weren't for people like me, active citizens for justice, and funny that you can't relate, your freedoms, your children's and your quality of life would be more threatened and degraded than they are at this moment -- and this is serious. This isn't about egos! This is about lives, quality of lives, justice and freedom and if your petty commentary makes you feel better, than wallow in your judgments of others for your attitude, narrow and egocentric as it is -- is part of the problem! Do you shop at Wal-Mart by any chance? Do you drive a huge SUV? Do you think the food you feed your children is healthy? Do you pay insurance premiums? Does anyone in your family derive overtime pay? Think again, and realize these are times that try our souls and don't dare criticize people like us who care about people like you! Change and improvement only comes with assessment of problems and devising of solutions! If you can't see the problems, then don't criticize those who do! And if you're not part of the change, you're part of the problem! Dang that felt good! I'm ready to knock on doors! 
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Molliani
Senior Member
Illinois 418 posts, Mar 2001
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posted 04-22-2004 10:57 PM
Wow - what did I say ?[QUOTE] Originally posted by BoomerChick: [The thing is, we love our country more than most ] . . . . . And I said: A most arrogant statement - a quick Rx for you is a good dose of humility. Your following RANT justifies my statement. Chill out before you go knocking on doors - sounds like you're in need of more than humility. [QUOTE] Originally posted by Boomer Chick:
[Yes, Moliani, we who stand up for peace, we who join organizational groups that express concern for the lost liberties of all, we who demand reverance and adherence to the Constitution, we who point fingers at those who would prevent social services in lew of wars and destruction, we who search for the truth and demand justice, yes all of us in this nation who stand up and fight for the rights and freedoms of all are true patriots! This is not an ego statement, it is a statement of values and fact. You tell me to be humble? Who the heck are you to tell me to stop being vigilent for your rights, for your children's future, for your way of life and your very safety? If it weren't for people like me, active citizens for justice, and funny that you can't relate, your freedoms, your children's and your quality of life would be more threatened and degraded than they are at this moment -- and this is serious. This isn't about egos! This is about lives, quality of lives, justice and freedom and if your petty commentary makes you feel better, than wallow in your judgments of others for your attitude, narrow and egocentric as it is -- is part of the problem! Do you shop at Wal-Mart by any chance? Do you drive a huge SUV? Do you think the food you feed your children is healthy? Do you pay insurance premiums? Does anyone in your family derive overtime pay? Think again, and realize these are times that try our souls and don't dare criticize people like us who care about people like you! Change and improvement only comes with assessment of problems and devising of solutions! If you can't see the problems, then don't criticize those who do! And if you're not part of the change, you're part of the problem! Dang that felt good! I'm ready to knock on doors! ]

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increase 1776
Senior Member

Oregon 365 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 04-22-2004 11:24 PM
All you do is post messages virtually celebrating the failures of the president of our country. You post messages celebrating things that are going wrong in the country and in the world. You post messages about sinister plots and chemicals in the air. But someone asks what our country is doing right and there is deafening silence for 20 hours followed by nothing but slams against our corrupt government and a laundry list of everything that is wrong with our country. Don't you live in Mexico? Our country? Your idea of a "celebration" and mine aren't even in the same library.Who's celebrating? Bush,Cheney,NWO,not us.This web forum at CTC is what this country is doing right.You have the opportunity to learn,to vent,to educate yourself and others.Those of us dumbed-down by our misguided educators, now have a chance to hear the rest of the story. Life is too short to screw with others minds.Besides it's bad Karma. Try using the Golden Rule for your guidance. 
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Bhang
Intoxicated by Lies

Looking 4 Soberiety 146 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 04-23-2004 03:46 AM
A little wisdom here in a quagmire of heated opinions, from The Prophet by Kahlil Gibran:"...you delight in laying down laws, Yet you delight more in breaking them. Like children playing by the ocean who build sand-towers with constancy and then destroy them with laughter. But while you build your sand-towers the ocean brings more sand to the shore, and when you destroy them the ocean laughs with you. Verily the ocean laughs always with the innocent, But what of those to whom life is not an ocean, and man-made laws are not sand-towers, but to whom life is a rock, and the law a chisel with which they would carve their own likeness? What of the cripple who hates dancers? What of the ox that loves his yoke and deems the elk and deer of the forest stray and vagrant things? What of the old serpent who cannot shed his skin, and calls all others naked and shameless? And of him who comes early to the weddding-feast, and when over-fed and tired goes his way saying that all feast are violation and all feasters law-breakers? What shall I say of these save that they too stand in the sunlight, but with their backs to the sun? They see only their shadows and their shadows are their laws. And what is the sun to them BUT THE CASTER OF SHADOWS? And what is it to acknowledge the laws but to stoop down and trace their shadows upon the Earth? But you who walk facing the sun, what images drawn on the Earth can hold you? You who travel with the wind, what weather-vane shall direct your course? What man's law shall bind you if you break your yoke but upon no man's prison door? What laws shall you fear if you dance but stumble against no man's iron chains? And who is he that shall bring you judgement if you tear off your garment yet leave it in no man's path? People of Chemtrail Central, you can muffle the drum, and you can loosen the strings of the lyre, but who shall command the skylark not to sing?" ------------------ Third eye vision. 
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letxa2000
Senior Member
U.S. citizen in Mexico 588 posts, Apr 2002
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posted 04-23-2004 07:40 AM
quote: Well, I'm sure for each topic a whole paper could be written and I probably left out a lot, but that's my take!
You listed good things about the United States (sort of, since 36 out of 50 items you listed were actually complaints about the item), not why the United States does so much better than the rest of the world. Different topic. But I'm glad you were to able to get the complaints off your chest. quote: Molliani: My brief answer is freedom, opportunity and the compassion of its citizens. The opportunities are endless. . . . My relatives left their beautiful homelands for the land of freedom and opportunity and they found both. I'm thankful they had the foresight to leave decades ago.
Thank you for your insight! quote: zoobie555: Americans simply demand higher standards. We won't accept less from ourselves or others. That is why the US has become a magnet for the entrepreneurs, hard working persons, business persons, highly intellectual, and overachievers of the world. Our country fosters the growth of these qualities... The American dream. Democracy, Capitalism, greed, perfectionism - are the fiber of our financial and military superiority. People with these traits flock to the U.S. because it provides the greatest opportunity for them, which leaves the countries they come from with one less person capable of making that country a more wealthy and strong place and at the same time makes the U.S. just that much better.
These sound like some very logical ideas of what makes the U.S. do so well. Makes a lot of sense. quote: I'm not trying to bash Mexico or Mexicans. I think Mexico is a great county, and I think Mexicans are great people. But the mexican government and it's laws are pathetic.
I agree with you, as do all the Mexicans I know. quote: Vicente Fox is a joke. He's always whinning to Bush that the U.S. isn't doing enough for Mexican illegals or Mexico. If he could make even a half assed attempt at running his own country maybe the people of Mexico wouldn't be lining up at the border to get into the U.S. by any means necessary, maybe they wouldn't have to.
Vicente Fox has become pretty impotent. There was a lot of hope when he got elected and kicked out the PRI after 70+ years. Unfortunately, it's not possible to fix all the problems the PRI created in a single presidency. To make matters worse, the opposition parties (PRI and PRD) basically got together out of spite to make sure Fox couldn't pass any of his reform proposals which has pretty much caused Mexico to come to a stand-still. I personally think Fox could have done some great things in Mexico and a lot of his proprosed reforms could have had a very positive effect to improve things in Mexico which would have reduced illegal immigration to the U.S. But we'll never know since the PRI and PRD guaranteed his reforms were DOA. Thank you for your post, zoobie. It has a lot of very good ideas and is exactly what I was looking for.

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Boomer Chick
Senior Member

Colorado 397 posts, Sep 2003
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posted 04-23-2004 10:24 AM
quote: A most arrogant statement - a quick Rx for you is a good dose of humility.Your following RANT justifies my statement. Chill out before you go knocking on doors - sounds like you're in need of more than humility.
My rant is passion -- gratitude would be the proper response to citizens such as myself. What do think "knocking on doors" means? Did the idea of community involvement and communication with one's neighbors escape you in your awareness of politics and change? I have knocked at doors, handed out voter registration, talked about persons running of various offices, and discussed issues. Have you ever given effort to improving society in this way? Take of your judgment glasses, with their cloudy lenses forged in the ego's lab and be free to see the light of the truth seekers, the defenders of our liberties. I'm so sorry you feel not only motivated to personally slam someone, but to only contribute on that level. How sad. Bhang -- Quite a lovely and beautiful contribution on a spiritual level. I love "The Prophet" and have a copy of it. Thanks! Zoobie -- Your sincerity shows through without the present knowledge of what has transpired in our society and what looms in consequence of present decisions, laws, and world events and an ignorance in how they relate to the past. Don't feel comforted by Letxa's applaud for your view, although positive and true in the past tense, needs revision with added knowledge and awareness. Yours was a well-written blog and showed an extreme level of thoughtfulness in relation to where you are in your knowledge level. Thanks for your sincerity and effort! Letxa, general news and online knowledge of events and economic and social conditions would also serve you well. Yes, there are many positive things in our American culture, but many obvious political trends threaten our culture. Our present administration, recent legislation, and their ideology threatens our financial and cultural structure. Their laws have contributed, not mitigated, to the pollution factor, liberty curtailment, unfair tax codes, and a dismantling of democracy itself. Their messianic imperialistic unilateral thrust for world domination, both globally and in space, has created enemies of previous allies and frightened many. It is not mere jealousy that creates the hate. Our past and present administrations, all, have allowed manufacturing corporations to take advantage of slave labor and indiginous people in third world countries, pollute their environments, slash and burn rain forests, pay dirt low wages, and create enmity by following the bottom line of profit rather than helping build infrastructure or contribute in positive ways to the towns and cities they inhabit. If you read environmental news at all, or human rights articles, you'll know why the anger is aimed toward us. It's not jealousy of our way of life, of our luxeries and comforts, it's anger toward our companies who exploit their human and environmental resources. And yes, there are religious fanatics both in other countries and in our own, in our very administration! And yes, there are those in other countries who do not like America, but they dislike our government and not just this one, they dislike the imperialistic displays of power more than they dislike our culture. And yes, as many have, many still come here to share in the American dream of working hard and securing homes and freedoms we all have have enjoyed. Many come to take advantage of the social welfare systems as well, but those are dwindling. I have read of grandparents from Mexico and other countries coming here to take advantage of Medicaid and welfare after their lack of contribution to the system. Yet others come to work hard. A Vietnamese person, for example, can come here, open up a nail salon, support several families, buy cars, buy homes and school their children. A Chinese immigrant can open up a restaurant and send their children to college. Yes, there are wonderful opportunities. But these opportunities, these very freedoms are dwindling. The low interest rates will rise with the rise of the deficit and trade deficits. Our Bill of Rights in the past three years has been dismantled and thrusts to dismantle the Constitution documented in legislative bills themselves continue to threaten the separation of church and state -- the very value and ethic that promotes the great freedom of religion we have enjoyed in this nation. Rather than leading the world as a nation of generosity and hope for others, we give with one small hand and take with a huge claw! Although our taking in the past, the Iran Contra situation, Vietnam, various covert operations and coups in order to benefit American corporations in lesser developed nations (downplayed and hushed to the American public), we as citizens are now more openly discussing, studying history, and are stimulated to do so in light of this present less restrained and aggressive administration. Actually they've been a gift to our nation and the world in their translucent aggression and obvious lies and manipulations. Just as corporate malfeasance has come to the surface, all manner of corruption is rising to the surface of national and world awareness. On the domestic front the corruption and greed displays itself openly as well. And we've all discussed these aspects such as corporate cronyism and malfeasence, health care privatization and insurance companies' antics -- all doing away with government- funded social programs and creating profit and business as the partner and engine of society. There's talk of related insolvency in our nation's financial situation as to totally dismantle Social Security. Is this a wonderful thing, Letxa and others? There are elderly people who have worked all of there lives here, boomer generation people who have worked and contributed to the help and support of those whose only form of monetary sustenance is Social Security paychecks. Do we want this dismantled? Is this a caring society who cannot care for their elderly and workers? And on top of that, retirement plans from corporations have dwindled. No longer can people work for a company and get a pension. Although Social Security for most, cannot be the sole source of income in order to afford a decent level of living here, it is nonetheless, a vital part of retiree's living strategy. And you add to this the cost of health care which has forced many seniors to sell their homes and go on Medicare in order to just stay alive and this is just one example of our society's transition into greed and bi-class system of rich and poor -- no middle class. Is this fair? The disorders now evident, now posing problems of life for every lower and middle class citizen are now upon us. It is no use and no help to hide and play the ostrich game. Knowledge and awareness is the key. With that, you make decisions to help right the wrongs and take the freedoms and liberties back, pass laws that show humanitarian values for all in the society, and this is the good about the American people. Those that are already rich are comfortable. They have no fear, unless the value of the dollar itself crashes like in 1929. And many economists predict that with the trade deficit, with the euro outvaluing the dollar, that this will soon happen. It's inevitable if we continue to finance and support our GDP through the defense business and fail to keep jobs and a productive base in our own country while corporations fail to pay taxes into the kitty. It's simple. Folks, it's time to read, time to accept the facts, and time for action. My action is based in hope that we can strip the system of its ineffectuals, rededicate laws and legislation to the great values we hold dear, to humanitarian principles and democratic principles of fairness and opportunity for all, that we dedicate our energies to transitioning to a productive society free from foreign oil, free from needing the resources of other countries, and dedicated to leading the world in helpful technologies, invention, and cooperation. If we use our technologies to improve our weather, explore and assist in alternative energies, fund organic agriculture and water filtration and transportation systems -- we can share all of this and more with other countries, trade with them in fairness, increase all wages around the world and make it through this transition time. War is not the answer economically or defensively. Cooperation is. We must face the realization that killing one another is not the way to population control on a small planet. Offering technologies and choice to women around the world, we and other advanced nations could slow the pace of third world population -- self controlling without harming. Technology itself, used in ethical contexts can literally save the world from destruction. If we as a nation continue to explore advanced weaponries and experiment with the earth's electro-magnetic fields, we will destroy our planet and every living creature on it. Is this what you want? The atom bomb was only the beginning. Four more years of this administration will bring this country to its knees. A Democratic administration will more likely cushion the fall, but not prevent it. It will take a full dismantling and revamping of our system to bring it online again in efficacy and grace. It is corrupted to the core at this point, has been for decades, and the fall will either be less painful or extremely painful -- you decide. Letxa, we on this board have no desire to please any one member. What you want from postings is of no consequence just as what I want is of no consequence. Truth is what we all want, even you, if you search deep in your crusty little heart! LOL! Wake up people! We are fighting for our very lives!
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JerseyBluEyz
Trust the Universe

Northeast 1004 posts, Jul 2003
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posted 04-23-2004 04:37 PM
Bravo!!!
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Boomer Chick
Senior Member

Colorado 397 posts, Sep 2003
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posted 04-23-2004 05:00 PM
Thanks, JBE! Do you think they heard anything? Do you think it was worth the effort? God I hope so! So long Letxa! 

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Mech
Commitees of Correspondence

The Minuteman State 6085 posts, Jun 2001
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posted 04-23-2004 05:02 PM
Boomer Chick..there is NO NEED to SNUB someone who is no longer here to defend themselves...OKAY?
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electricmojoman
Senior Member
316 posts, Feb 2004
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posted 04-23-2004 05:09 PM
Come on Mech, I didn't see you stand up for me when I exited the debate and Lex kept jabbing at me. I could be wrong but I don't recall you doing so. I think Boomer has the right to express some relief. It Was hardly a rip or jab that Lex would need to defend. George Bush cannot come in here and defend himself, actually he could, but he gets ripped on all the time. You going to stop that? Sorry but you shoulda let that simple post go.
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Mech
Commitees of Correspondence

The Minuteman State 6085 posts, Jun 2001
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posted 04-23-2004 05:20 PM
First of all...whatever you and Lex were talking about was NONE of my buisness...so why should I "come to your defense" when I didnt even engage in the conversation between the both of you.Second...You could easily REBUTT Letxa because you are not banned (although YOU threatened to leave if your "demands" weren't met) Letxa CAN'T rebutt Boomer Chicks comments because hes gone. If you don't like my opinion...tough $#!= Mojo. Thats all I have to say. 
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JerseyBluEyz
Trust the Universe

Northeast 1004 posts, Jul 2003
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posted 04-23-2004 05:41 PM
quote: Originally posted by Boomer Chick: Do you think they heard anything? Do you think it was worth the effort?
It doesn't matter if they heard it or not - what matters is that WE did! It reinforced many of my own thoughts. Maybe you should write political speeches! The Passion of Boomer! LOL!
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electricmojoman
Senior Member
316 posts, Feb 2004
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posted 04-23-2004 05:48 PM
quote: Originally posted by Mech: First of all...whatever you and Lex were talking about was NONE of my buisness...so why should I "come to your defense" when I didnt even engage in the conversation between the both of you.Second...You could easily REBUTT Letxa because you are not banned (although YOU threatened to leave if your "demands" weren't met) Letxa CAN'T rebutt Boomer Chicks comments because hes gone. If you don't like my opinion...tough $#!= Mojo. Thats all I have to say.
Little snippy there Mech. What part of Boomers last post needs to be rebutted? I have no need to rebutt Lex now. I took him on head to head and not behind his back so extend me some courtesy! Again, you cannot have it both ways to get all snippy on Boomer and then turn around an act like you had no business doing the same for me when I exited. It is either your business or it is not. If your a moderator the discussion should have became your business because many people were becoming frustrated long ago. I do believe you did post a few times in the Radarmatrix thread so you were engaged and very aware. You're right, your opinion doesn't concern me and frankly you have not gained much of my respect. As for your "tough $#!=" may i suggest some laxative? DOES WONDERS! 
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Mech
Commitees of Correspondence

The Minuteman State 6085 posts, Jun 2001
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posted 04-23-2004 05:53 PM
"So long Letxa." I'd call THAT a snub Mojo..mabye YOU can't see it..but I can.
I don't need your respect WHATSOEVER. Been here much longer than you and will likely be here long after you have had your run of the place. Better keep it clean Mojo.
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