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swamp gas
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posted 05-13-2004 02:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swamp gas   Visit swamp gas's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Swedishoo:
I'd rather think of it as the

Wag the Roman Dog Bush

Christy



Yep,

As Dumbya Fiddles, Rome Burns.

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Thetaloops
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posted 05-13-2004 03:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Thetaloops     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Even the dogs smell something fishy. Or is that Rome burning?

nice dance!

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Swedishoo
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posted 05-13-2004 03:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Swedishoo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Translated from Arabic

Sheikh Abu Mus'ab Alzrqawy slaughters an American with his hands and threatens Bush with more

A statement to the nation

The praise of Allah for all Muslims with his support and the humiliating of those who attempt to defeat Islam and who attack it and who entice the unbelievers with their cunning.

The one that appreciated the days countries with its justice and the prayer and the greeting on from above the Islam lighthouse by its sword as for after :

The Islamic nation

You rejoice at the first signs of the dawn that have started that have granted the wind of triumph. Allah was benevolent to us in Al Fallujah, granting us victory

On one of the days of Allah and that was known to Allah alone

The Islamic nation

Does any excuse for waiting remain? How the free Muslim sleeps, with his eyelids closed.

And he sees that Islam is slaughtered and can be seen bleeding its dignity

And the shameful pictures and the news of the evil humiliation of the Islam people men and women in Ghareb 's father prison then where the jealousy and where the zeal and where the anger about the Allah's religion and where the jealousy for the Muslims sanctities and where the revenge for the honors of Muslims and Muslims is in the crosses prisons .

As for you are the Islam clerics then to Allah we complain about you, you see that Allah have founded the argument on you by the Islam young man who humiliated the strongest force in the date then broke its nose and destroyed its pride

We came to you that you learn from them the reliance meanings and derive from their doing the lessons of sacrifice and redemption to when you remain as the women you master only the slapping language and know only the way of wail and weeping

Then this appeals the world freemen and this it begs Kofi Annan and a third begs Amr Moussa and fourth he demands peaceful demonstrations and as if they did not hear to his saying ( ( O you the prophet incited the believers to the fight ) )

You were fed up with the fight of the conferences and the oratorical battles ohm came to you that you take the jihad way and carry the sword that sent by it the prophets master

And we beg from you that you do not be involved as usual in the denial of what will do it satisfaction of the Americans

He has ordered the prophet - peace be upon him - and he is master the merciful are with the slitting of the necks of some prisoners and their slow killing

And for us it is an example and a good example

As for you, the Roman dog Bush, I hope you are displeased and we wait for you with God's Help tough days and you and your soldiers today who tred Iraq's land will regret it.

And she dared in it to the Muslims fever

And another message to traitor Pervez Musharraf then we say to him that we in wait for your meeting with your soldiers

We demand of the American and will take revenge for the blood of our brothers in and Iraq and elsewhere

And as for you and the Americans soldiers wife then we say that we offered to the American administration this prisoner in exchange for some of the prisoners in Abu Ghareb prison but they refused

Then we say but if the dignity of Muslims and Muslims in Abu Ghareb prison and others is worth theur blood and souls

we tell you to know that the coffins will arrive to you one coffin after another, as your people are slaughtered in this way.........

Then you kill the polytheists where you find them and you take them and count them and place them where they can be seen.

Allah is the greatest and the honour to Allah and to its messenger and to the militants

And our last claim is that the praise of Allah is the Lord of the Worlds

Abu Mus'ab Alzrqawy
Prince of Al Tawhid group and jihad
Iraq
22 Rabi I 1425
*******************
11/5/2004

And you see the slaughter, your fighting brothers suspend the head of this unbeliever on one of Baghdad bridges so that they teach a lesson to others from the infidels and serves as a witness to the honour of the Muslims

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Mech
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posted 05-13-2004 04:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sounds like that was written by a veteran CIA agent.

Keep the pot boiling so WAR can go ON and ON..and ON..and ON..and ON.

But oh no...it's always those "Ragheads" that cause it.

Keep DEMONIZING muslims...war is MONEY.

Either way..the CHICKENHAWK NEO-CONS send young people to DIE and kill others while they sip wine and live like kings and the GLOBALISTS PROFIT in the BILLIONS off of these new wars.

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Ellyn
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posted 05-13-2004 06:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellyn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Today on CNN, David Insore (National Security) said that the CIA has determined that the voice on the video was Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. Wolf Blitzer countered that their CNN investigators had determined that it was not al-Zarqawi's voice. Wolf Blitzer bowed to the CIA results.

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Swedishoo
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posted 05-13-2004 09:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Swedishoo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, this whole thing doesn't smell right. Two things are certain...it will either surface due to carelessness, or be swept under the carpet. Regardless it could all be diversionary.

Christy

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Swedishoo
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posted 05-13-2004 09:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Swedishoo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BushyBones isn't concerned of Rome burning...he'll just send in Halliburton to rebuild it!

Christy

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swamp gas
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posted 05-14-2004 07:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for swamp gas   Visit swamp gas's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/05/11/iraq/main616842.shtml


Bizarre New Link In Berg Murder


May 14, 2004


Strange Twist In Berg Case


Al-Zarqawi is believed to be behind well over a dozen high-profile attacks in Iraq, and many other acts of violence, which have killed hundreds.



President Bush pauses as he talks to the media Wednesday in Washington. Bush condemned the killing of American Nicholas Berg in Iraq. (Photo: AP)


(CBS/AP) As the family of slain American Nicholas Berg gathered Friday for a private memorial service, new details emerged about his contact with FBI terrorism investigators after Sept. 11, as well as his final days in Iraq.

Berg, a 26-year-old small businessman who went to Iraq seeking a role in reconstruction, was found dead Saturday. On Tuesday, an Islamic Web site posted video in which masked militants beheaded him. The CIA has identified the speaker in the video — the man who murdered Berg — as Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a terrorist suspected in numerous attacks in Iraq.

CBS News National Security Correspondent David Martin reports U.S. officials say the FBI questioned Berg in 2002 after a computer password Berg used in college turned up in the possession of Zacarias Moussaoui, the al Qaeda operative arrested shortly before Sept. 11 for his suspicious activity at a flight school in Minnesota.

The bureau had already dismissed the connection between Berg and Moussaoui as nothing more than a college student who had been careless about protecting his password.

But in the wake of Berg's gruesome murder, it becomes a stranger-than-fiction coincidence — an American who inadvertently gave away his computer password to one suspected al Qaeda operative, Moussaoui, is later murdered by another notorious al Qaeda operative, Zarqawi.

The slain man's father, Michael Berg, told reporters Thursday that his son was cleared of any wrongdoing. He said Nicholas Berg met Moussaoui while riding the bus to classes, and had allowed the suspect to use his computer.

The 2002 FBI interview could also explain the bureau's interest in Berg while he was detained by authorities in Iraq shortly before the militants kidnapped and killed him.

Berg was picked up on March 24 and released on April 6. The details of that detention are the subject of a dispute between the Berg family and the U.S. government.

The family contends Berg was detained by the U.S. military, and even filed suit seeking his release on April 5. The U.S. military says Iraqi police detained him. Iraqi police deny that.

To back its claims that Berg was in U.S. custody, the family on Thursday gave The Associated Press copies of e-mails from Beth A. Payne, the U.S. consular officer in Iraq.

"I have confirmed that your son, Nick, is being detained by the U.S. military in Mosul. He is safe. He was picked up approximately one week ago. We will try to obtain additional information regarding his detention and a contact person you can communicate with directly," Payne wrote to Berg's father on April 1.

Payne repeated that Berg was "being detained by the U.S. military" in an e-mail the same day to Berg's mother, Suzanne. The next day, Payne wrote that she was still trying to find a local contact for the family, but added that "given the security situation in Iraq it is not easy."

The government says the e-mail from Payne was false. State Department spokeswoman Kelly Shannon said Payne's information came from the Coalition Provisional Authority. The authority did not tell Payne until April 7 that Berg had been held by Iraqi police and not the U.S. military, she said.

"As Mr. Berg had been released, the consular officer did not convey this information to the family because he was released, thankfully," Shannon said. "And we thought he was on his way."

Coalition spokesman Dan Senor said Wednesday that Iraqi police arrested Berg in Mosul on March 24 because local authorities believed he may have been involved in "suspicious activities."

In Mosul, police chief Maj. Gen. Mohammed Khair al-Barhawi insisted Thursday that his department had never arrested Berg and maintained he had no knowledge of the case.

During his detention, Berg was questioned by FBI agents three times.

Berg is believed to have been kidnapped days after Iraqi police or coalition forces released him. The family has blamed the government for keeping him in custody for too long while anti-American violence escalated in Iraq.

Shortly before Berg's disappearance, he was warned by the FBI that Iraq was too volatile a place for unprotected American civilians and that he could be harmed, a senior FBI official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Wednesday.

Officials said the U.S. government warned Berg to leave Iraq, and offered him a flight out of the country, a month before his grisly death.

The Bergs said they want to know if the government had received an offer to trade Iraqi prisoners for Nicholas Berg. On the videotape of his death, Berg's killers made a reference to a trade offer, but U.S. officials have said they knew of no such offer.

Michael Berg said he wanted to hear President Bush address the issue.

"I would like to ask him if it is true that al Qaeda offered to trade my son's life for the life of another person," Michael Berg said. "And if that is true, well, I need that information. … and I think the people of the United States of America need to know what the fate of their sons and daughters might be in the hands of the Bush administration."

The video in which Berg is killed was titled: "Sheikh Abu Musab al-Zarqawi slaughters an American infidel with his own hands."

The U.S. military has already posted a $10 million reward for Zarqawi for having orchestrated some of the deadliest terrorist attacks in Iraq.

Al-Zarqawi is thought to be in Iraq, operating his own terrorist network, known simply as the "Zarqawi network."

A private memorial for Berg was scheduled for Friday at a West Chester




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posted 05-14-2004 06:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Two words.

White Trash


Think of it this way...people like these two $#!+heads could be hired as Police officers when they get back from Iraq.

Can you imagine people with THAT kind of character Policing America?

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posted 05-14-2004 09:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for increase 1776     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That statement is true as can be.These are the next generation of law enforcement officers scarry stuff.The soldiers that returned from duty in Bosnia are a perfect example,the beat the crap out of you and then, maybe then, they might ask questions. Most leave it to the DA to sort out.I'll testify to that.

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swamp gas
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posted 05-15-2004 09:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for swamp gas   Visit swamp gas's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not only do those two give caucasians a bad name, but the chair are they are sitting on, and Berg's (maybe him), are identical.

Too many anomalies. Even people that don't believe in "Conspriacy Theories" are questioning it.

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posted 05-15-2004 10:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for increase 1776     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Two More VERY Suspicious
Berg Video Anomalies
From Timothy Jenkin
Lansing, Iowa
5-15-4

Dear Jeff,

I am writing to you with utmost urgency. I find this Video of Nick Bergs Killing by alledged Arab terrorist groups most disconcerting for many untold facts and observations.

1) The Time set on the Video is indicative to 24 hourtime and most Videos have a 2 stage setting one in regular standard time, ie: am-pm and one for 24 hr. time or MILITARYTIME!

My Question: Why would Terrorists find it relevant to set their time to Military Time? Would it be more likely that a US intel or military person or officer would have their video camera set to Military Time out of reflex of training? My answer is YES!

2) Why is the man on the far left standing at Parade Rest??

This seems further evidence the raises suspicions that these men were NOT Arab faction Terrorists! Parade Rest is also - and would be a REFLEX action - that is TRAINED into Military personnel and becomes a HABIT!

I find this Video Very, Very argumentive and points a STRONG finger at the US Intelligence communties complicitcy in the berg death.

Sincerely,

Timothy Jenkin
This is really starting to stink.We have to look to the military to actually follow the rules they swore to uphold,since the politicians,should call them morticians, think treason is okay.Officers, someone, preferably more than one,it's time to step up to the plate.This country is behind you.

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posted 05-15-2004 09:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for increase 1776     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's the same chair. http://marc.perkel.com/archives/000233.html

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http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/may2004/150504audiodiscrepancies.htm

Audio Discrepancies Suggest Berg Video Doctored

Khalid Jan | May 15 2004

I’d like to take this time to extend my deepest sympathies to Mr. and Mrs. Berg on their son Nicholas Berg’s brutal murder by the cruel and cold blooded ‘Forces of Evil.’

The video of Nicholas Berg that is circulating on the Internet is 100% doctored. One of the problems I found is as follows:

The beginning of the footage where Nicholas introduces himself, the sound was recorded using camcorders built-in microphone. One can tell it simply by paying attention to the background noise. When the scene changes where Nicholas is sitting on the floor, and other men standing behind him, it is evident that the camcorder was at least 10-12 feet away from the subjects.

The audio quality of the video is very clear. No wires can be seen in the video indicating that an external or a wireless microphone was used for audio either. From a distance of 10 feet, audio reception would not be that clear if the built-in microphone of the camcorder was used. This would produce echo and some background noise.

Definitely, audio track was added later on with the help of a simple non-linear video editing software. For doing this type of work, help of a semi-professional video editor is absolutely necessary.

Visit the Berg Archive at http://www.prisonplanet.tv/articles/may2004/051104beheadsuscivilian.htm

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posted 05-16-2004 08:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for swamp gas   Visit swamp gas's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Brought to you by............BushLaden Productions

Directed by Al-CIAda

As someone who makes a living off of Audio/Video work, and having seen the "uncut" version, the Berg video was produced by the same team that brought us the "Big Nose Bin Laden" video.

This is why we never use on camera microphones. Background noise from a omni-directional, low quality mic would not pick up low frequency sounds, and emphasize room noise and voice frequencies. The audio was obviously dubbed in later, and this CIA/Mossad team doing the production needs some pointers. I have seen 15 year olds with iMac, Adobe After Effects, Final Cut Pro, and Bias Peak do a better job than that.

The cuts were done on a Digital Non-Linear system. since there is no tell-tale analog edits.

The lack of blood is the sure sign it was done out of sequence. I have read some of the FreeRepublic comments on the execution. As usual, besides all the "Support the Government", "Tin-Foil Hats", and "Traitors" is some ridiculous analysis, They say:

1) There are millions of chairs like that white one around the world.

2) Al-Qaeda used their own orange jump suit

3) They beheaded him prior, and let the blood dry up from his head, so none was seen dripping.

The Freepers also think we should step up the torture, rape, and murder of Iraqis, innocent or otherwise.

You see, these are the same people who took pictures of lynchings in the 1920's. and made them into post cards. It is not-politically correct to hang and torture black people in the USA, but Arabs are fair game.

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Berg's father blames Bush

R. JONATHAN TULEYA , Staff Writer 05/14/2004


Michael Berg lashed out at President George W. Bush and his administration during his first public comments since his son, Nick Berg, was murdered by al-Qaida terrorists.

"Nicholas Berg died for the sins of George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld," Michael Berg said. "The al-Qaida people are probably just as bad as they are, but this administration did this."

The 20-minute, impromptu briefing took place outside the family’s home on the 1200 block of Estate Drive, West Whiteland, on Thursday morning.

"This is an administration that allows something that they arrogantly called the Patriot Act to strip away America, to make America not the America that I grew up in," Berg continued. "It was a coup d’etat. At first a bloodless coup d’etat, but unfortunately afterward it has become very bloody."

On the front lawn of the Bergs’ home was a blue sign with that read:War is not the answer.

Michael Berg said he posted the sign there. It belonged to an organization called ANSWER, which is an acronym for Act Now to Stop the War and End Racism.

Berg has been a member of the group, he said, since participating in a rally in Washington, D.C., in March 2003.

"It is something that I am not ashamed of. I am proud of it."

He continued, "I think stopping the war and ending racism are extremely important things that this world has to do right now. I am proud to be a member of ANSWER and I plan to be at the march on June 5.

"I know it is considered a radical group," Berg said. "but I want to ask: Radical as compared to what? The Bush administration? I’ll be radical."

Berg also directed a question to the president.

"I would like to ask George Bush a question. I would like to ask him if it is true that al-Qaida offered to trade my son’s life for the life of another person," Berg said.

"And if that is true. I need that information ... and I think the rest of the people of the United States of America need to know what the fate of their sons and daughters might be in the hands of the Bush administration," he said.

Nick Berg, 26, was killed by terrorists associated with al-Qaida. A video of the execution was broadcast on a Islamic militant Web site shortly afterward. Other reports state his body was found hanging from a bridge outside Baghdad.

U.S. intelligence officials have confirmed that terrorist leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was the person shown on a video beheading Nick Berg, according to the Associated Press. Officials analyzed the voice on the video, a CIA official said Thursday.

Berg had traveled to Iraq alone earlier this year seeking work for his company, Prometheus Methods Tower Services, which specializes in building communications towers.

The family has scheduled a memorial service today at Congregation Kesher Israel, 1000 Pottstown Pike, in West Goshen. It is for family and friends only.

Michael Berg also told reporters he could prove his son was in U.S. custody during his 13 days of detention in Iraq.

I have a written statement from the state department in Baghdad ... I have it as an e-mail," Berg said. "I think an e-mail is pretty good proof because it has all the dates and whatnot on it, saying that my son was being held by military."

He did confirm that Iraqi police arrested Nick Berg on March 24. At the time, Michael Berg said his son had been traveling in a taxi cab in Mosul late at night.

Berg since has blamed the United States for not taking control of his son and ensuring he boarded his scheduled March 30 flight home on Royal Jordanian Airlines.

"Let me ask you this: Does Washington think the American public is so stupid as to believe that the Iraqi police tell the FBI what to do? I don’t think so," Berg said. "I don’t think we’re that stupid, I really don’t."

The Associated Press reported Berg produced the e-mail correspondences he had with Beth A. Payne, of the U.S. consular office in Iraq, stating that Nick Berg was in U.S. custody

A State Department spokeswoman said Thursday night, according to the Associated Press, that the diplomat in Baghdad had been given erroneous information by the U.S.-led Coalition Provisional Authority when she e-mailed the Berg family.

U.S. Rep. Jim Gerlach, R-6th, of Upper Uwchlan, provided Berg and the Daily Local News with a copy of a letter he sent to Secretary of State Colin L. Powell, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and the directors of the FBI and CIA on Wednesday.

It asked for specific information about Nick Berg’s detention in Iraq, including when he had been released and his interaction with government officials.

"We have not yet gotten any calls back by the agencies," Gerlach said on Wednesday.

The FBI had provided him with a press release containing widely reported information about Nick Berg’s whereabouts on various dates.

The congressman said it is premature to call for a federal investigation and that he would give the various agencies time to collect all the information.

He did not defend Bush against Berg’s criticisms.

"Whatever conclusions people want to draw is up to them," Gerlach said. "It is my responsibility to try to help them get answers to their very legitimate questions. Otherwise he certainly has every right to express his opinion on this matter."

Berg also used took time Thursday to shine more light on the personality of his son.

He said Nick Berg did not drink, use drugs or gamble.

"He didn’t have any bad habits," Michael Berg said. "His only addiction was high places. He liked to climb."

Nick Berg learned to work on communication towers -- often as tall as 1,700 feet -- while employed at a Texas company. That is also where he developed his affection for President Bush, who was then the governor of Texas at the time.

"He came home saying nothing but positive things about George Bush," Michael Berg said. "and to the day that he left (for Iraq) he said nothing but positive things about him. And I’m sure to the moment he died he felt nothing but positive things about him."

Michael Berg added, "On this we disagreed vehemently."


©Daily Local News 2004

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http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=218

Berg Mystery deepens: New Updates (05/17)

US Gov't disavows E-Mails, Video traced back to London, not Iraq

KYW 1060 - May 16

US Gov't Disavows E-Mails About Berg's Detention

The State Department says an e-mail from a consular officer in Iraq that said beheaded American Nicholas Berg had been in US custody was based on erroneous information.
Spokeswoman Kelly Shannon says the Coalition Provisional Authority in Iraq had sent the incorrect information to the diplomat. The diplomat sent Berg's family an e-mail saying he had been in US custody. But officials now insist he had been held by Iraqi police.

Berg wrote his parents after his release that federal agents had questioned him about whether he had ever built a pipe bomb or had been in Iran.
His family says being delayed by the detention prevented him from leaving the country sooner.

To back its claims that Berg was in US custody, the family on Thursday released copies of e-mails from Beth A. Payne, the US consular officer in Iraq.

(more plus Top 50 Anomalies...)

"I have confirmed that your son, Nick, is being detained by the U.S. military in Mosul. He is safe. He was picked up approximately one week ago. We will try to obtain additional information regarding his detention and a contact person you can communicate with directly," Payne wrote to Berg's father, Michael, on April 1st.

Payne repeated that Berg was "being detained by the U.S. military" in an e-mail the same day to Berg's mother, Suzanne. The next day, Payne wrote that she was still trying to find a local contact for the family, but added that "given the security situation in Iraq it is not easy."

Berg is believed to have been kidnapped days after Iraqi police or coalition forces released him April 6th.

State Department spokeswoman Kelly Shannon says the Coalition Provisional Authority did not tell Payne until April 7th that Berg had been held by Iraqi police and not the US military.

Berg's brother is calling on the government to come clean about its contacts with the slain American before he died. The family has blamed the government for keeping him in custody for too long while anti-American violence escalated in Iraq.

"They're trying to deflect attention to a couple weeks down the road when no one's paying attention," David Berg said. "I think President Bush needs to be a man about this and tell the truth. I think most, if not all, Americans can figure out who's telling the truth and who's lying."

Nick Berg Video Was Uploaded From London, Not Iraq

JackBlood.com

JackBlood.com Has Traced The Address Of "Islamic
Website"; That PostedThe Berg Decapitation Video
To London, England

The Video Was Uploaded From London, Not Iraq

After several hours of research, JackBlood.com has
learned the webaddresses for the "Islamic
Websites"; that posted the Nick Bergdecapitation
video.

The website addresses are www.al-asnar.net
and www.al-asnar.biz . Both websites have apparently
been disabled by'authorities.' The location of the web
server is reportedly inMalaysia. However, the
addresses of the publishers for these sites arelocated
in London, England and Nurnberg, Denmark.

The addresses began to disappear from the internet
listings as wereported this development on The Power
Hour Radio Show. Apparently, "Big Brother";
had been listening to the show and didn't like
the newsat all.

The location of the publishers for al-ansar.net
appears to be at an Arab Press Building, which appears
to be shared by different Arab newspublications. The
name of the organization is the Arab Press House.
Thebuilding is apparently the headquarters for news
magazines such as, AlJamilla, Sayidaty, and Al
Majallah among others.

The London address is the following:
http://www.al-ansar.net

Arab Press House

Abdel Rahman al-Rashed
184 High Holborn, WCIV78P, London
tel. 020 78318181

The other address is located in Nurnberg, Denmark. It
apparentlybelongs to a man named Omar AbuOmar. His
email address is:
alansar_alansar@hotmail.com .

The complete mailing address is the following:
http://www.al-ansar.biz

Omar AbuOmar
New Dream St. 33
Nurnberg, Denmark, 42114

Phone: +965.15441211
Email: alansar_alansar@hotmail.com

Update
JackBlood.com has also learned that these same websites (www.al-asnar.net and www.al-asnar.biz) were the ones that posted the latest Bin Laden audio recording, weeks ago. Despite knowing the website addresses, and potentially the addresses of their respective publishers, the CIA, the FBI, and the Department of Homeland Security did not make any apparent efforts to monitor the websites for uploaded files or internet traffic. Therefore, no arrests were made.

How is it possible for the FBI to pinpoint with astonishing accuracy the location of a twelve-year-old child that downloads a music file from the internet, but hasn’t been able to catch the ‘terrorists’ that upload video files –containing criminal evidence- on the internet?


Mirrors of Berg-Video (Warning: unedited)

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Berg: Top 50 Oddities and Irregularities (latest Update 05/17)

Note: This is a compilation from various sources, including our own research.
Not every conclusion is compatible with our own conclusions.

1)
Inconsistencies in the Timeline Edit

WM-----|-----Video Clock-----|-----Screen Shot
0:00 ---|--- nothing ---|-------Arabic letters
0:05 ---|--- 13:26:24 ---|--- Nick Berg speaking
0:09 ---|---- 2:18:33 ---|--- Nick Berg sitting
0:20 ---|---- 2:40:33 ---|--- Speach in Arabic
4:36 ---|---- 2:44:56 ---|--- Speaker pushes Berg over
4:38 ---|--- 13:45:48 ---|--- Decapitation begins
4:43 ---|--- 13:45:52 ---|--- Picture lost
4:44 ---|--- 13:45:59 ---|--- Picture returns, decapitation continues

2)
2:42:11- Notice that #3 keeps moving his head from the pages to the camera very frequently and there is more page flipping where the voice does not take a pause.

13:46:19- #3 is finishing off the head while #2 is holding Nick's arm.It seems as if any motion of Nick's body are due to #'s 2&3 pulling on his body, not any resistance, which has been mercifully absent since this last filming segment started.

13:46:31- Head is being severely tilted back as what looks like the last cut in being made

13:47:48- ANOTHER TAPE GAP: This segment begins with #2 lifting up the head. How did it get transfered to him?

More:

-By the time any cutting started on the neck, the body was lifeless.
-Nick was not killed directly after being pushed over; that was some 11 hours earlier
-The severed head did not look tormented.
-Between 13:26:24 (when Nick is last seen sitting in the chair in the very first clip) and 13:45:49 or so (when the cutting started in earnest, the body has become lifeless. How is unclear.
-Citing an 11-hour gap in the sequence is probably nonsense.
The video is shot with 2 video cameras with their internal timestamps set differently.

2)
One of the men has a large silver watch with a large bulbous crystal on his left hand.
If you find that watch in any of the Abu Ghraib abuse pictures, you'll know who one of the murderers are.

3)
The guy in the white hood is not the same as in the last frame:
He goes from holding Berg's body (at the back) to suddenly being the guy making the final cuts and holding up his head.

4)
Extremely convenient "wag the dog" timing at the height of furor regarding U.S. torture of Iraqis

5)
Berg's last known whereabouts was in U.S. custody

6)
Berg shown in video wearing orange jumpsuit known to be of U.S. issue

7)
Berg mysteriously captured by Al-Quaeda (still wearing jumpsuit). Either he escaped from U.S. captors or U.S. let him out -- with orange suit and all -- to be immediately apprehended by Al-Quaeda (before he had a chance to change)

8)
Tape obviously spliced together and heavily edited. Goes from a) Berg sitting in chair talking about family, to b) Berg sitting on floor with hooded "militants" behind, to c) blurry camera movement, to d) almost motionless Berg on floor as head cut off.

9)
Audio clearly dubbed in, but probably also CODEC problem

10)
"Arab" reader flips through pages of "statement" and keeps ending up on the same page. Perhaps doesn't even known enough Arabic to recognize what page he's on?

11)
Arabs" have lily-white hands and (other exposed) skin

12)
"Arabs" have Western-style body posture and mannerisms

13)
When Berg decapitated, there was almost no blood. If Berg were still alive at this point, with the cut starting at front of throat, blood would have been spraying everywhere. Berg's severed head, the floor, Berg's clothes, and even the hand of the "Arab" who decapitated Berg had no visible blood on it.

14)
Berg's body didn't move while on the ground. Although held down, Berg would have tried to instinctively wiggle and writhe away from captor's grip.

15)
Camera angle made it impossible to see if Berg's eyes were even open

16)
Alleged "scream" from Berg sounded to be that of a woman and was clearly dubbed in


17)
Berg goes to great trouble to identify himself, providing information about his family. Why? To elicit greater sympathy? Or to provide a positive ID. FBI visited Berg family in an attempt to "verify his identity". Guy in video looks very little like Berg photos provided by family

18)
Nick Berg's Connection with the "20th hijacker" of 9/11, Zacarias Moussaoui, is yet not really explained

19)
Fat, white fidgety terra'ists wearing tennis shoes, the leader of which:

a) is wearing the sort of large gold ring that is expressly forbidden in fundy Islamic communities, and

b) starts cutting the head, but is replaced (as the camera time signatures change) by someone wearing a white head covering when it's time to show off the head.

20)
Video is out of synch soundtrack and jumping time signatures on the video production.

21)
For the first time in recorded history, Arab terra'ists post a video of an atrocious murder on a website -- right in the middle of Bush Admin's most damaging national scandal -- a scandal driven completely by its own disgusting pictoral and video imagery.

22)
Berg had been held in US custody (or in the Abu Ghraib prison?) for two weeks without charge or access to phones or legal help just days before he was last heard from. And the US now denies this, despite the family's insistence and overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

23)
Berg was an American Jew traveling alone in Iraq without a job. He reported that he was taking lots of picture around the suburb of Abu Ghraib. He also reportedly worked "on the tower" in Aby Ghraib

24)
Ugly yellow paint, orange jumpsuits, and the white plastic "Walmart chair" -- appear in both the Berg video and the Abu Ghraib prison videos

25)
Zaqawi rises from the dead, has a letter fall into coalition hands that just happens to confirm everything BushCo is dreaming about the Iraqi situation, grows another leg, loses his Jordanian accent, puts on a forbidden gold ring, reads from a long speech that he's written in a mysterious mobius fashion across both sides of a single sheet of paper, decides to give up his hobby as a poison expert to get down and dirty with a dull knife, and carefully hides his face while screaming, "Yoo hoo - Zaqawi here!"

CIA claims it has examined the video and concluded that the hooded
figure is Zaqrawi, a high level al-Qaeda operative. However, anyone who has
seen the video will attest to the fact that there is no way to identify
anyone from it, including the victim. Second, according to an US military
report in April -03, Zaqrawi was killed in the bombing of Falluja. CIA does
not elaborate whether Zaqrawi has magically sprung back to life or whether
the April report was wrong.

The US media claimed that Zaqrawi lost a leg in 2001. Now, it says
that he did not lose his leg after all. This flip flop seems too
coincidental as the purported figure in the video doesn-t appear
handicapped. The US does not elaborate on which intelligence is wrong.

Even Colin Powell claimed that Zarqawi was fitted with a prosthetic leg in a Baghdad hospital

26)
JackBlood.com has Traced the Address Of 'Islamic Website' that Posted the Berg Decapitation video To London, England, NOT Iraq

27)
The Chilean freelance journalist Hugo Infante ...stays at the $30-a-night Al Fanar Hotel, where Berg was staying, and regularly chatted and shared drinks with him.
According to an own INN Research, there is also someone named Hugo Infante (Bogota, Columbia), but he works at the World Bank and sent some disturbing messages in 2002: "We do not have LEADERSHIP, and the concept of globally
world is the now, but our leadership is weak because we
NOW need Globally Leadership."

28)
Berg's company Prometheus Towers has no records with the Pennsylvania Department of State

29)
When told of the video by an Associated Press reporter, Berg's father, Michael, and his two siblings hugged and cried. They knew he had been decapitated, but didn't know the details of the killing

30)
Nicholas Berg's father was listed in a freeper- "hate list"
On March 7, 2004, an 'enemies' list of anti-war groups and individuals was posted on the Free Republic

31)
Berg's body arrived Wednesday at Dover Air Force Base in Delaware. His parents had requested permission to be at the base when the coffin arrived, but that request was denied

32)
The voice on the tape could not be verified as that of al-Zarqawi. CNN staff members familiar with al-Zarqawi's voice said the voice on the tape did not sound like him

33)
The man on the far left in the video is standing at "Parade Rest"
This seems further evidence the raises suspicions that these men were NOT Arab faction Terrorists! Parade Rest is also - and would be a REFLEX action - that is TRAINED into Military personnel and becomes a HABIT

34)
We see the wedding ring on the left hand, the sinister hand, the hand that Islam reserves for toilet functions

35)
We notice the voices in the background not sounding like Arabs, some dialects also linked to russian language, instead of Jordanian

36)
Why is Zarquawi not showing his face, given the fact, that his face is worldwide known anyway?

37)
Firearms experts have stated the AK-47 carried by one man was a "Gilal." This actually is an Israeli-made weapon that improves on the famous AK- 47. Feyadeen and other insurgents almost universally use AK-47s

38)
The US military has stated that Berg was never in US custody and that he had been in custody of the Iraqi police. The Iraqi police adamantly deny he was ever in their custody. On April 1, an e-mail from Beth A. Payne, the U.S. consular officer in Iraq, was sent to the family of Nick Berg. It stated that Ms. Payne had located Nick

39)
The Berg's filed a lawsuit in federal court in Philadelphia on April 5. A day later, Nick Berg was released. He contacted his parents and told them that he was coming home. The following day he checked out of his hotel in Baghdad, and disappeared

40)
Notice on one frame that Berg's head has been cut off at 13:47:49 (1:47) ­ yetat 2:44 ­ nearly "an hour later" ­ he is sitting with his head intact

41)
An NBC reporter stated: "...the CIA did it to take the heat off the Pentagon"--, but his remark wasn't picked up again (at Tom Brokaw, May 12th)

42)
One article of BillingsGazette claims, when his body was found, it only mentions "signs of trauma" , instead of "headless". The article claims, the body was found Saturday
In another report, it says, "a body found on Monday by US military patrol along a roadside over the weekend was identified as Berg's"

43)
More odd, if the body was found on Monday (May 10th), or previously "over the weekend" (prior), how could the execution and video be taped on May 11th, as is reported?
"The statement in the video was signed off with Zarqawi's name and dated 11 May" (Drudge and Aljazeerah).

44)
Why did the story of Berg change about his OK-contact with Moussaoui?
First it was 2001, then already 1999?

45)
Michael Berg, told the AP that Michael’s sister, now dead, married an Iraqi man named Mudafer, who became close to Nicholas. In one of the e-mails, Nicholas Berg described going to the northern city of Mosul, where he introduced himself to Mudafer’s brother, identified as Moffak Mustaffa. Who is Mustaffa?

46)
Berg has sensitive electronic equipment on his person that he has no paperwork for

47)
Berg's hotel was full of peace protestors and next to CIA's "HQ", Baghdad Hotel.
Was there not enough police surveillance, after he arrived?

48)
Again, If Berg was in Iraqi custody, why did the FBI visit him three times, and in what ways did the U.S. authorities have operational control over his custody? Why do the Iraqi police, working with the U.S. government, insist they never held him?


[Edited 1 times, lastly by Ellyn on 05-17-2004]

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Archon
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posted 05-17-2004 09:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Archon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, it's one extreme or the other. Attempting to get back to the issue at hand, in regard to this post, I empathize for the family of Berg and feel his death was wrong.

Now don't get me wrong, I don't think we (as in the US as it exists) are truly any better. Although, what I see in this post is the opposite bias that I see on CNN. I sense a lack of true objectivity and compassion on both sides. But who the fu©k am I anyway, right. LOL.

I think it's ludicrous what the 'white trash' did to the POW's. At the same time, I think it's heinous what the Iraq militia did to berg. I would rather be breathing and have been sodomized anyday, than to have my body shipped backed to my mom w/o it's head.

I understand that the Iraqui's have a right to be frustrated, but at the same time I can't wonder why many americans are disgusted by this murder.


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halva
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Greece
363 posts, Apr 2003

posted 05-17-2004 10:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for halva   Visit halva's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This was sent to me by Boomer Chick:

Berg video examined and found two frames with a caucasian US military guy's head darting in and out!
http://www.aztlan.net/berg_abu_ghraib_video.htm

God I hope the major media gets ahold of this one!

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Archon
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North Edwards, California, USA
19 posts, May 2004

posted 05-17-2004 10:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Archon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL, oh

Now it's a conspiracy by the armed forces to execute an innocent American contractor.

God help to find some type of logic within' this forum somewhere.

All I see from this post halva, is defamation upon american servicemen.

Granted the 'white trash' (mostly all of the reserves are white trash) may sodomize iraq POW's, but that doesn't mean that officers like myself and other enlisted endorse the brutal killing of innocent americans. I'm not even going to waste my time investigating you link. I already know better. If that's all the faith you have in the US service, on a level underneath the administration, perhaps it's time you took your ass to some other country! Maybe you would find China or North Korea more accomodating?

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halva
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posted 05-18-2004 06:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for halva   Visit halva's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I live in Greece.

Jay Reynolds is challenging your statements on the content of certain "contrails". Do you want to debate him?

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swamp gas
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132 posts, Jun 2001

posted 05-18-2004 06:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for swamp gas   Visit swamp gas's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Archon:
If that's all the faith you have in the US service, on a level underneath the administration, perhaps it's time you took your ass to some other country! Maybe you would find China or North Korea more accomodating?


Wow!!! That's an original statement, "Love it ot Leave it".

If I remember correctly, there was a piece of paper called The Constitution written, oh, about 228 years ago. It was supposed to be a non-partisan blueprint, free of religious zealotry, so all people could be treated equally. A soldiers sworn duty was to defend the same Constitution.

You guys are fighting for making Cheney, Bush, and their fellow slime buckets rich. While you are fighting for Exxon/Mobil and Haliburton, the Bush Admonistration is destroying the Constitution you swore to protect. In my eyes, and many others, you are a traitor. To the soldiers who Question Authority, more power to you. To the robots that think you are fighting "Terrorism"........Well after reservists sodomize Iraqis, and "officers" blow away some innocent women and children, you can sip a cocktail of depleted uranium. But wait, when you get back, your minds will be so warped that a lifelong prescription of Prozac awaits, that's if you survive the effects of DU. You can always get a job as a cop, and bash in the heads of anti-war activists.

If you are questioning this war and administration, then the above statements don't apply to you, and we'd be glad to discuss issues. If you are a zombie/robot, then there is no hope for you..



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Ellyn
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posted 05-18-2004 12:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellyn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My recent post entitled "Next?" by Kirwan certainly applies this this discussion.

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Mech
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Archon:"I think it's ludicrous what the 'white trash' did to the POW's. At the same time, I think it's heinous what the Iraq militia did to berg. I would rather be breathing and have been sodomized anyday, than to have my body shipped backed to my mom w/o it's head."

Archon...

How do you know the Iraqis were in that prison for "murder"..."helping insurgents"..etc?


Ive heard MANY stories that a LOT of Iraqis are in those prisons for AS LITTLE as not haaving their paperwork in order at CHECKPOINTS or simply LOOTING to feed their families...GRANTED there ARE some "Murderers" there most likely...I STILL believe that US troops should abide by the Geneva Convention IMHO.The North Vietnamese might have tortured and got away with it..but that is NOT the American way as far as i'm concerned.

That's NOT what I was taught in boot camp...or "A" school for THAT matter.



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http://www.aztlan.net/nick_berg_how_done.htm


"How will it be done?" is heard in the Nicholas Berg decapitation video!
by Hector Carreon
La Voz de Aztlan

Los Angeles, Alta California - May 19, 2004 - (ACN) With the overwhelming evidence that has now accumulated proving that the Nicholas Berg decapitation video is a fraud, it is time to call for an international inquiry into the crime. Besides the evidence that the video was actually filmed at the Abu Ghraib prison as outlined in a prior article titled, "Berg decapitation video was filmed inside the Abu Ghraib prison", La Voz de Aztlan has, in addition, completed a sound analysis and isolated about 10 seconds of the sound track at the end of the video. A western voice saying "How will it be done?" can be clearly heard. It looks like the "editors" in their haste to complete the bogus video for propaganda purposes have left a lot of evidence behind. The voice left inadvertently in the video can be heard on this web page. The short wave file can be repeated by refreshing the web page.

The principal purpose of the fraudulent video was to defray world attention from the heinous sexual abuses and torture of Iraqi POW's and rape of Iraqi women detainees at the same prison where the Berg decapitation video was filmed. A secondary purpose was to "frame" Al queda and especially one of their leaders by the name of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. It is not known whether the producers of the video actually beheaded Nicholas Berg or just performed some shoddy film trickery. It is possible that they worked with an already dead corpse of Nicholas Berg.

It is a total shame that the mainstream media is not bringing this information to the attention of the public. It appears that the US news media is comprised of gutless pseudo-journalists who sell their services only to globalists, Zionists, corporations and the military-industrial complex. Are they restrained or do they not care about the common citizens any more?

Where do the United Nations Commission on Human Rights, The World Court, and Christian Institutions stand on this case? The evidence is there. It is not hidden, thanks to the mistakes made by the perpetrators. Where does the United States Congress stand on this fraud? Why are they allowing the Bush Administration and their Zionist cohorts to get away with it? US Senators and Congresspersons can't be that empty-headed! Or can they?

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Related La Voz de Aztlan articles:
Nick Berg decapitation video declared "a fraud" by medical doctor

Berg decapitation video was filmed inside the Abu Ghraib prison

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