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Mech
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5934 posts, Jun 2001

posted 06-11-2004 01:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Like I said...

A nation in SERIOUS decline.

You dont even have a right to speak your mind anymore in this country for Pete's sake.

Oh yeah..in the NEW "HOMELAND"...the Patriot Act supercedes our constitutional rights...how Al Qaida of me to think otherwise.

I smell ROME BURNING.




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swamp gas
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posted 06-11-2004 01:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swamp gas   Visit swamp gas's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wonder what the Tight-Butt-Blue-Noses-On-The Culture-Board are making of this thread.

In that teacher's case, isn't having a moment of silence for a POLITICAL figure political in nature?

I'm beginning to wonder whther Reagen was bumped off or something, or shall we say "accelerated", just in time to deflect all the criminal activity of BushLaden productions.

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swamp gas
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posted 06-11-2004 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swamp gas   Visit swamp gas's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mech:
Oh yeah..in the NEW "HOMELAND"...the Patriot Act supercedes our constitutional rights...how Al Qaida of me to think otherwise.

I smell ROME BURNING.


You got that right Mech, and since when does Bonzo have anything to do with "Turism" and "Al-CIAda"?

The only difference is Bushie couldn't fiddle his way out of a paper bag.

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swamp gas
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posted 06-11-2004 02:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swamp gas   Visit swamp gas's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Ronald Reagan Memory Game:

http://www.whitehouse.org/kids/reagangame.asp




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posted 06-11-2004 02:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for increase 1776     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The only place Bonzo'sface belongs is on a roll of toilet paper.It would be a big seller,Ronnie R. Toilet paper. Bozo's dead "Who Cares" Ray Charles stould head and shoulders taller than Bonzo .Ray was one of the finest pianist and song writers of all time.Ray being blind, could see better than most.The news of his passing brought sorrow.The news of bonzo passing,another paid holiday for govt.workers.

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swamp gas
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posted 06-11-2004 02:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swamp gas   Visit swamp gas's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by increase 1776:
The only place Bonzo'sface belongs is on a roll of toilet paper.It would be a big seller,Ronnie R. Toilet paper. Bozo's dead "Who Cares" Ray Charles stould head and shoulders taller than Bonzo .Ray was one of the finest pianist and song writers of all time.Ray being blind, could see better than most.The news of his passing brought sorrow.


Yeah, I remember Ray when his first hit, "What'd I say" came out in 1959. Great musician and a loss, but 59 had the Skyliners and Flamingoes" I Only have eyes for you".

On the toilet paper thing. Who would want that face even close to your butt?

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posted 06-11-2004 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JerseyBluEyz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by swamp gas:
The Ronald Reagan Memory Game:

URL=http://www.whitehouse.org/kids/reagangame.asp]http://www.whitehouse.org/kids/reagangame.asp[/URL]


LOL! Now THAT was good! I thought I was losing it! Ha!

And how about the fact that Colin Powell likened Bush to Reagan?
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/6/11/102838.shtml

Friday, June 11, 2004 10:26 a.m. EDT
Powell: Bush Similar to Reagan

Secretary of State Colin Powell expressly compared President Bush to Ronald Reagan Friday morning, telling NBC "Today Show" host Katie Couric, "I think there is a similarity."

Like Reagan, said Powell, "President Bush has spoken in broad themes and has put broad brush strokes on the world tapestry."

"There is always controversy when you go down this road. Talking about Middle East reform: [It's] controversial," he added.

Making the rounds of all the morning TV shows, Powell continued the theme on CBS's "Early Show."

"We are, to some extent, following what President Reagan would have told us to do. And that is reach out to our friends and partners," he said, according to ABC's "The Note."

Powell explained that just as President Bush's foreign policy has caused disagreements, "There were disagreements during Reagan's time."

But he insisted:

"When you know you have to do something and you're confident it's the right thing to do, do it, even though it may result in temporary disfavor. If you've done the right thing, those partners will come back and join you in that greater effort."

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posted 06-11-2004 05:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellyn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
First the "frozen body" scenario crossed my mind--"unfreeze when ready to use," then the "bumped off" scenario occurred to me. The gang in power is certainly more than capable of either.

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posted 06-12-2004 12:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for increase 1776     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by swamp gas:

Yeah, I remember Ray when his first hit, "What'd I say" came out in 1959. Great musician and a loss, but 59 had the Skyliners and Flamingoes" I Only have eyes for you".

On the toilet paper thing. Who would want that face even close to your butt?



Wasn't he an ass kisser? Wait there is one more mourner that came to pay last respets,here he is.

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posted 06-12-2004 12:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for increase 1776     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ray, how about one more rendition of Hit The Road Jack,dedicated to Monkeyboy and the Nazis.

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posted 06-12-2004 12:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for increase 1776     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A drunkards dream.

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posted 06-16-2004 10:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for swamp gas   Visit swamp gas's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One more for "Dutch"

http://www.villagevoice.com/sutton/

Enough With Reagan Already

The Gipper's true legacy? Making the GOP as it is today: nasty, brutish and shortsighted. Good riddance

By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist
Wednesday, June 16, 2004

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Let's get this straight. Ronnie Reagan allowed AIDS to flourish for years after it was discovered and did next to nothing to stem its virulent, lethal tide, and wouldn't even utter the word until the end of his term, when it was too late.
Ronnie Reagan denied the existence of the nation's homeless problem that he largely created, and then blamed the problem on not enough people caring to get out there and get a job as he meanwhile slashed civil services and assistance for the poor.

Ronnie Reagan pillaged the U.S. Treasury and ballooned the deficit more than 100 percent during his term. He gave the wealthy enormous tax breaks and gouged the living crap out health care and social services and increased defense spending so much you'd think America was on the verge of being attacked by giant marauding alien centipedes.

Get that man's face on the dime!

History credits Reagan with ending the Cold War and putting the final nail in the already-collapsing Soviet coffin. Which he did, sort of, but not really, mostly via a massive, budget-reaming arms buildup and via strong-arming the world and launching Star Wars and by playing nice with all manner of dictators and then surprising everyone by siding with Gorbachev on disarmament.

All while selling some slick, bloated version of an uber-patriotic, thick-necked, sanitized America to a dazzled populace who were utterly hypnotized by the man's silky-smooth ability to make toxic policy sound like Disneyland.

Let's get this straight: Ronnie Reagan should have been impeached for his role in the Iran-Contra scandal, for launching an illegal war on Nicaragua, for applauding genocide in Guatemala and death squads in El Salvador. Ronnie Reagan worked tirelessly to roll back abortion rights, affirmative action and civil rights and was instrumental in diminishing the voice and strength of the U.N. Ronnie Reagan opposed stem-cell research, which could have helped end the horrible suffering of the last decade of his own life.

Get that man's face on the 20-dollar bill!

Let us not forget: Ronnie Reagan's secretary of the interior, James Watt, was indicted on more than 40 felony counts for leveraging his connections at the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development to help his cronies seek federal funds for housing projects. Nothing like a little prison time for one of your key Cabinet members to make your administration really shine.

As Tim Noah of Slate points out, Saddam's now-famous gassing of the Kurds, the horrific event that BushCo never ceases to point to as really really bad, occurred on Reagan's watch. And, in 1984, when Reagan's hawks received their first reports that Iraq was engaged in chemical warfare (using chemicals sold to him, in part, by the United States), they chose to shake hands with Saddam and ignore it.

Give that man's fluffy head a spot on Mount Rushmore!

Reagan the great government shrinker? Reagan the great decreaser of budget spending? Whatever. Truth is, spending actually increased by one-fourth, even factoring out inflation, during his term. Know who reversed that? Who actually decreased spending as an overall percentage of GNP and reduced the size of government during his term? Bill "Big Government" Clinton, that's who. Whatta jerk.

Can we forget the lovely winking deal Reagan made with the Ayatollah Khomeini to hang on to those 52 American hostages in Iran till after the 1980 election in order to make Jimmy Carter look small and weak? Shall we remember how Reagan took full credit for their release, when he had almost nothing to do with it? True American hero, that Gipper.

Ronnie Reagan tried to tell poor people that ketchup was a vegetable.

Ronnie Reagan was largely detested by his own children and wasn't exactly highly respected for his intellect by his own Cabinet, and his general vagueness and lack of nuanced understanding of how government works -- not to mention how to pronounce the names of foreign leaders and countries -- is matched only by the current least articulate least intelligent least educated least attuned least globally respected man who now stumbles though the Oval Office with a smirky Texas pseudo-swagger.

Reagan could be famously snarling, pinched, mean. As California governor, he fully cooperated with the CIA to investigate all those nasty commie uprisings in the UC system, ended the career of then-UC President Clark Kerr and famously warned student protesters, "If there has to be a bloodbath, then let's get it over with." What a sweetie. Is it too much to call Reagan "a cruel and stupid lizard" and "dumb as a stump," as Christopher Hitchins writes? You be the judge.

Ronnie Reagan deregulated major industry and essentially loosed corporate America upon an unsuspecting populace, including the savings-and-loan companies, all while opening the national treasury for his wealthy pals to loot. He promised a crackdown on out-of-control deficit spending while working furiously to double the national debt. "Reagan taught us that deficits don't matter," oozed a very proud Dick Cheney, sneeringly.

But let's be fair. Let's look on Ronnie's good side, the legacy, the reason tens of thousands are mourning the Gipper's passing and why an aging boomer nation is still held rapt by this most beguiling and masterful of proto-American Hollywood salesmen.

Reagan was, as widely noted, a pragmatist. He was a seductive charmer. Gracious. He stood by his warped ideals and admitted his mistakes and followed through on many of his promises, even if those promises mutilated progressive ideas and stomped on the environment and gave piles of money to the wealthy, all while sucker-punching the poor and the working class and promising them nice shiny pennies and a big heap of false hope if they'd just shut the hell up.

Which is why, I presume, there are any number of adorable GOP sycophants out there right now campaigning to get the Gipper's mug on the national currency. There are even some who want his face on Rushmore, who think it's not enough that we named a huge airport and an aircraft carrier and probably some nice road somewhere after him. After all, Ronnie gave the conservative agenda its beautiful, historic sense of bitter entitlement.

As for the mourners, they weep not because Reagan was such a profound intellect, not because he was such a generous humanitarian, not because he balanced budgets or worked to end poverty or because he, as Clinton did, brokered peace in Northern Ireland and came closer than any president in history to finally ending conflict in the Middle East, and nearly winning the Nobel Peace Prize in the process.

No, they want Reagan canonized because he was a wildly successful, hugely manipulative media presence. Because he charmed them to death, because he shaped American politics like no other president in recent history. This is what people are remembering: essentially, a surreal and often sad and yet indelible hunk of American history, a time when America fell under a slick jingoistic spell and conservatism found its voice and became much of what it is today: you know, mean-spirited and hawkish and ideologically lopsided, corporate sponsored, homophobic and fiscally reckless and more oriented toward one overarching agenda: military might uber alles.

This, then, is what we have to thank Reagan for. A bruising, devious, glossy worldview, fiscal irresponsibility, the art of the slick media sound bite, humanitarianism treated like a disease to be eradicated.

And now, with his passing, it's only appropriate to try to show a little respect. After all, you have to give the man credit -- he did indeed do a great deal to alter the timbre and direction modern American politics. His legacy is convoluted and eternally debatable and yet absolutely, undeniably extraordinary. He is the GOP's icon of finger-wagging righteousness. He is their demigod o' slippery prefab swagger. His attitudes and policies have had a titanic effect on the shape of modern American conservatism.

Problem is, that shape looks increasingly, and frighteningly, like a giant, bloody baseball bat.



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Good bye and good ridence. My good-bye to Bonzo

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