posted 06-22-2004 10:58 PM            

BTW, I wonder how the masters of spin are going to finagle their way out of this one?

posted 06-23-2004 01:27 PM            

The 9/11 commission stated that there was no link that IRAQ helped in the planning and carrying out of the ATTACKS on 9/11. Their findings had ZERO to do with a connection between Al-Qaida and Iraq. If it did, then what the hell was the point of the commission anyways? Finding or not finding a link between the two parties has nothing to do with 9/11.

This is why I don't read the papers anymore. They have totally mis-represented the findings of the commission in order to push a specific agenda. And people just eat this shit up, it's just crazy.

So what exactly is the purpose of the commission anways?? If it's do examine where we made mistakes so that these are not repeated in future attacks, then I'm all for it. But this obviously is not the case.

Here's some backup:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/002/628wqxma.asp

I guess we already forgot that Baghdad was the unofficial home for Abu Nidal (you know the guy that Oliver North ACTUALLY was quoted as being so scared of and having such an expensive home security system). Still need a refresher?

Here:
http://www.palestineremembered.com/Jaffa/Jaffa/Story163.html

Have we erased the FIRST world trade center bombing as well from our memories?
http://www.meib.org/articles/0106_ir1.htm

It's beyond me that people are soooooooooooooo eager to bash Bush for what he has done, when they fail to remember the Clinton Administration had their huge failures in the war against terrorism. Why is it that people seem to think terrorism just started during the Bush Administration? Bush IS the only president to actually take a risk and go after these animals and keep them from attacking us. Something Clinton didn't have the balls to do. So basically Bush is cleaning up the mess that Clinton didn't have the guts to take on, much less see it to the end.

Oh well. . . .I throw my arms up

posted 06-23-2004 02:07 PM            

One Currency, One army, Corporate Rule, Dictatorship, Police State....ad naseum.

FOR YOUR "SAFETY".

While the border stays wide open.

These wars are simply the implementation of that agenda. They've been planning it for years. Just read their policy papers people.

Zbigniew Brzezinski (Carter Admin) has been talking about this since the early 80's.

These IDIOTS in office have been BREEDING TERRORISTS to do their dirty work...OUR leaders included.

All they needed was the "right major crisis".

AL CIA-da is simply the dirty do-ers the globalists need to accomplish their goals.

The NEW WORLD ORDER. a.k.a BEAST SYSTEM.

Lets not forget Saddam and Rummy Rumsfeld shaking hands like they were high school chummies.

WELL.....SOME PEOPLE forget.

Because of PARTISAN POLITICAL AFFILIATION.

----SEE through the FALSE PARADIGM---

posted 06-23-2004 06:50 PM            

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Originally posted by atfateshands:
Do people just not read the report, or do they just listen to the dribble the media spouts to them?

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Lighten up! That spoof was a joke! Although, you have to admit there was so much truth in the skit - that's what made it SO FUNNY!

The 911 Commission’s final report is scheduled to release on July 26, we’ll see what it says. There will be some accountability, but you can bet on a whitewash.

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Originally posted by atfateshands:
The 9/11 commission stated that there was no link that IRAQ helped in the planning and carrying out of the ATTACKS on 9/11.

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These are the quotes I found:

The panel said it found "no credible evidence that Iraq and al Qaeda cooperated on attacks against the United States."

911 Commission spokesman Al Felzenberg said “We found no evidence of joint operations or joint work or common operations between al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein's government, and that's beyond 9/11.”

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Originally posted by atfateshands:
Their findings had ZERO to do with a connection between Al-Qaida and Iraq. If it did, then what the hell was the point of the commission anyways? Finding or not finding a link between the two parties has nothing to do with 9/11.

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What??? Finding a link between the 2 parties had nothing to do with the 911 Commission? Do you even know what the justification for the War in Iraq was based on? Our (p)Resident and his staff, REPEATEDLY and KNOWINGLY presented a link between Iraq/Saddam Hussein, al Qaida, and 911. We were also told there was an existence of nuclear capability in Iraq. Does anyone remember WMD? We now know that there was NO LINK between Saddam Hussein and al Qaida AND that WMD do not exist in Iraq. So, Iraq was obviously NOT an imminent danger to the U.S. and the war in Iraq was based on lies!

To answer your question on the purpose of the 911 Commission – this was taken from their website:

The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, an independent, bipartisan commission created by congressional legislation and the signature of President George W. Bush in late 2002, is chartered to prepare a full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, including preparedness for and the immediate response to the attacks. The Commission is also mandated to provide recommendations designed to guard against future attacks.

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Originally posted by atfateshands:
This is why I don't read the papers anymore. They have totally mis-represented the findings of the commission in order to push a specific agenda. And people just eat this shit up, it's just crazy.

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What agenda are we talking about here? But I agree with you on solely reading the papers or watching the news for current events. I prefer the net myself because then I have control over what I absorb.

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Originally posted by atfateshands:
Here's some backup: http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/002/628wqxma.asp
I guess we already forgot that Baghdad was the unofficial home for Abu Nidal (you know the guy that Oliver North ACTUALLY was quoted as being so scared of and having such an expensive home security system). Still need a refresher?
Here: http://www.palestineremembered.com/Jaffa/Jaffa/Story163.html
Have we erased the FIRST world trade center bombing as well from our memories? http://www.meib.org/articles/0106_ir1.htm

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I’m sorry – what was the point you were trying to make?

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Originally posted by atfateshands:
It's beyond me that people are soooooooooooooo eager to bash Bush for what he has done, when they fail to remember the Clinton Administration had their huge failures in the war against terrorism.

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We talk about Bush and his policies because he is currently in office. Clinton is old news! Do you think the discussions here would be any different if a Democrat was in office? Hell no! We’d rip him to shreds for his lies, deceptions, and globalization policies as well! You’ve been told quite a few times that MANY posters here do not subscribe to there being a difference between the two party lines. Left or right – it make no difference. Same agenda, different face. The only difference is the methods that are used! Since you seem to have a hard time listening, you must be a male huh? hee, hee. But seriously, there are others here that tow the party line but do not agree with Dumbya’s policies. There might even be some Bush backers here, but they are unknown to me.

Not too long ago we had a debate re: the NWO agenda and the two party system. Here’s the thread if you’d care to look it over: http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/001966.html

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Originally posted by atfateshands:
Why is it that people seem to think terrorism just started during the Bush Administration?

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Sorry, I’ve never heard anyone imply that here.

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Originally posted by atfateshands:
Bush IS the only president to actually take a risk and go after these animals and keep them from attacking us. Something Clinton didn't have the balls to do. So basically Bush is cleaning up the mess that Clinton didn't have the guts to take on, much less see it to the end.

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posted 06-24-2004 10:59 AM            

So you at least made some valid points, I will give you that.

I put the quotes in about Abu Nidel and the first bombing of the world trade center as evidence that Iraq had indeed very strong ties with terrorists right up until the second Iraq war.

I'm not a stumper for Bush by no means. I just believe he finally stood up to these animals. We've been continually attacked up until 9/11, and still today are targets of these radical islamic groups. I don't know what the alternative is to do? Go PC and just hide our heads in the gound and hope they stop bombing us and killing our citizens?

I hear a lot of people saying what he's doing is wrong, but these same people can't seem to come up with an alternative or a solution to rooting out, and eliminating Islamic terror groups. It's easy to point fingers, but what about a solution to the problem?

I do agree the two-party system has polarized America and not given people much of a choice. I more of an independent and vote for who I think will do the best job. So I try and examine both sides of the issues that affect me the most, and then make an informed decision.

Oh well. . . that's I know. . .

posted 06-24-2004 11:24 AM            

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Originally posted by atfateshands:
I'm not a stumper for Bush by no means. I just believe he finally stood up to these animals. We've been continually attacked up until 9/11, and still today are targets of these radical islamic groups. I don't know what the alternative is to do? Go PC and just hide our heads in the gound and hope they stop bombing us and killing our citizens?

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1) Stop supplying money and weapons to the biggest terror state, Israel/Likud/Zionists.

2) Take all no bid contracts to Bushco friends, military invasion, and over-priced crapper seats ($200 billion and counting), and put it into crash program for alternative energy sources. This will cut the life blood, and then petrol will be used as just another source of hydrogen fuel.

3) Get the hell out of there while the Americans still can.

And before I forget, this is who started terrorism in the middle east. Good old CIA, overthrowing democratically elected governments, planting false news reports, and assassinating presidents. Listen to John Stockwell (commander of CIA troops in Angola), and here his repots on the CIA and the techniques they still use to create a fog in front of the American's people's eyes. Sure glad 1/2 of the USA, and 90% of the rest of the planet can see these slime buckets for what they are.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/us_iran_mossadegh

CIA planned guerrilla campaign in Iran to counter communists in 1953: documents

Wed Jun 23, 4:07 AM ET

WASHINGTON (AFP) - The US Central Intelligence Agency (news - web sites) planned a sustained guerrilla campaign in Iran in case its 1953 plan to ouster the government of Mohammad Mossadegh fell through and communists increased their sway over the country, according to newly declassified US government documents.

The top secret papers, produced in late 1952 and 1953 by the State Department and the National Security Council, provide proof that the widely-known US-British efforts to destabilize the government of prime minister Mossadegh were backed up by broad contingency plans that called for bolstering US military presence in the region and launching an anti-communist guerrilla force in the south of Iran.

The Mossadegh government, which drew the ire of Washington and London because of its persistent attempts to increase control over the country's oil resources, was toppled in an August 19, 1953, coup led by US-backed general Fazlollah Zahedi who allowed pro-American Shah Reza Pahlavi to return from exile.

US officials have grudgingly acknowledged that the coup had become possible due to CIA (news - web sites)-designed Operation "Ajax" that helped plunge Iran into chaos and paved the way for Mossadegh's downfall.

But the administration of then US president Dwight Eisenhower was seriously concerned that the plan could go awry and Iranian communists from the Tudeh Party would capitalize on instability and the unraveling economy to seize power, according to the documents released by the National Security Archive on Tuesday.

To counter that possibility, the CIA made preparations for unleashing a guerrilla campaign targeting Tudeh members and other Iranian politicians, then-undersecretary of state Walter Smith reported to the White House.

In his memorandum dated May 20, 1953, Smith noted that the CIA had reached an agreement with Qashqai tribal leaders in southern Iran to establish a clandestine safe haven from which US-funded guerrillas and intelligence agents could operate.

"To date CIA has trained and equipped a total of approximately 10 indigenous clandestine radio operators to be located throughout Iran and who can be called upon to maintain communications with CIA when desired," Smith wrote. "Others are being trained."

Stockpiles of weapons and ammunition were being secretly assembled at Wheelus Field, an air base in Libya used at that time by the US Air Force.

Smith reported that the base already had enough war materiel to equip a 10,000-strong guerrilla force and allow it to operate independently for at least six months. Other supply bases were being established in Tripoli, the Suez Canal zone and the US state of New Jersey.

"These supplies could, within three to four weeks, be transported by air and sea to certain strong tribal elements in southern Iran," the undersecretary of state assured.

Reception points for this materiel were being set up in the Tehran and Tabriz areas, along with secret caches of gold and currency, while the CIA drew plans for forming eight, three-person teams to run its secret guerrilla army.

The plan also called for deploying several dozen additional US warplanes to southern Turkey and positioning a naval force of an undetermined size in the vicinity of the Iraqi southern city of Basra to create a barrier to "the spread of communist power."

In addition, the US government was determined to seek access to the Saudi military base in Dhahran "as a transit point in connection with contemplated US covert operations," Smith wrote.

And who started the propaganda of "communists" lining up at Russians borders right after WW2?

http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/gehlen.html

Why it was the USA, with Allen Dulles, head of the newly formed CIA, was planting false stories of the Russians in 1947? That would not be the same Allen Dulles, who was a Nazi sympathizer right until the start of WW2 would it? Gee, who was the mortal enemy of the Nazis? The Jews and Russians. Who was the target of Nazi sympathsizers Richard Nixon and Joe McCarthy? Jewish entertainers, communists, and Russians. It's all psy-ops, and when you get the entire picture it is not, "Those filthy Ay-Rabs vs Clean and Wholesome Americans".

posted 06-24-2004 06:30 PM            

Looks like Swamp has the right alternative solutions. Since we purposely instigate the situations we find ourselves in, it’s kind of pointless to suggest ways to get ourselves out since they don’t want out! As the saying goes, follow the money. Therein lies the answer to why we find ourselves in Catch 22 situations.